Black Hippy Chick

This is a blog partially about my life, partially about my philosophy, and partially about whatever I can throw in. Just don't take it too seriously. I am an evolving individual with evolving thoughts and ideals. You will see contradictions here becuase I believe in honesty and objectivity.

Sunday, August 28, 2005

Google Listing for Webgrrls Passion Parties Message Board that I had to remove from Webgrrls Atlanta Website


If webgrrls had a board or a board member for the years prior to my becoming chapter leader of webgrrls they were obviously not too effective. The website had not been updated for three years, however there was a very active message board on the site which had just been posted on extensively the month that I became chapter leader for Webgrrls Atlanta. Sarcastically I have to say this was obviously very professional to have sex party postings on a site that was suppossed to represent technology networking and empowerment oppurtunitites for women, I don't know what type of lessons those parties were supposeed to teach to the attendees, as one of the missions of webgrrls is to teach and to learn. I would also like to add this message board was very persistent even after I had removed it from the site it continued to show up in the rankings when I put webgrrls atlanta into the search engine, the search engine was still linking to a message board outside of the webgrrls atlanta site. Finally I had to write the company that hosted the message board and ask them to take the message board down. Marjorie Singley Hall stated that her friend was the board member for webgrrls I suppose this is what the two of them were advocating for in a professional womens organization. It ranked on the first page, which out of thousands of listings indicates that the site was heavily visited. I have no idea what they were selling, maybe something to out of town visitors or what they were teaching that related to technology and the workplace.

Link to Webgrrls Example Site I created

Here is a link to the webgrrls site that I created. Prior to my designing the site the page had one event listing from 2003 and had a message board linking to sex parties. I redid the site and submitted it to several sites around the internet as a technology organization for women.

This page http://www.tightwebdesign.com/webgrrls/index.html ,was number one in the rankings for webgrrls atlanta and its connecting pages were in the top five, oddly enough the link to the sex parties, even after I took the information down was on the first page of the search engine, and the message board still retained the name of Webgrrls Atlanta and was still being used independantly of the website. I finally had to contact the host of the message boards and ask them to take the oard off of the internet, maybe this is why Kevin revoked my license ultimately, he wanted to continue to provide business to those linking to sex parties that were advertised on the site.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005

During the Atlanta Olympics a dignitaries wife was arrested for jwalking

During the olympics, there was a wife of a dignitary who was accussed of j walking. Why was it that she ended up in a knock down drag out fight with the police and ended up being carted out to jail. Honestly it seems to me with the Nichols incident it seems to me that Altanta couild find something better to do than pass ordinances against honmeless people. Finally they might want to consider moving the courthouse which is three blocks from the tourist district they are trying to protect. Can't imagine what might happen if their is a massive court room break or being the jail is only six blocks from the ditrict they are trying to protect can't imagine what may happen if there is a massive jail break or the wrong person is let out of jail accidentally, which has been done over and over again. I wonder if tourists are aware that the jail house is so close to the tourist district. The greyhoud station has been moved to be near the jail but it's still there. I wonder if that's a warning come to Atlanta in a greyhound and you're going to get harassed. Anyway...................

This questioning of the homeless is going to get very interesting becuase honestly how can you look at soomeone and tell that they are homeless. Let me share something with you. I was at a local spot several months ago and I saw a group of men in baggie jeans and sweats they had long hair and it appeared to be windblown. I honestly was afraid of them. I told my companion and I was told not to be afraid, but I was. However when I walked by them it turned out they were french and were speaking in their native language. Go figure now sic the police on them. Who you be?> where you from? You plan on asking someone for a quarter? Let's redirect you to a homeless facility. Frontpage - French Diploamt arrested for having long hair and wearing jeans. Ha hA ha ha In atlanta it can happen.


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New Pan Handling Law enacted in Georgia Everyone who looks homeless will be questioned and redirected to a homeless center

Most people are familiar with one of metro Atlantas more famous residents, Whitney Houston, what they may not be familiar with is that she looks like an AIDS sufferer. Does she have AIDS, no she is a supreme drug addict. Furthermore what they may not be familiar with is that Mayor Shirley Franklins son in law is a supreme drug dealer. He ws arrested, jumped bail, and was found in LA living in a mansion where homesless people are not allowed I have to add with a million dollars in cash and more cocaine. Meanwhile in Home Atlanta Mommie has enacted an ordinance against the homeless but let me assure you there is no ban against drugs and prostitution in Atlanta. Shirley let me ask you a question, how much of your campaign was funded by drug money? Do you pan handle hell no!! You just contribute to others pan handling so they can buy their drugs. I am dedicating the following song to you Danger by Erika Badu. I'm sure his trunk stayed lock. HOmneless out Drugs in in the ATL. Homeless out Prostitution in in ATL. Women mind you, you plan on sending your man to Atlanta on a convention, don't worry it will not be hard for him to find a southern belle to warm his bed in Georgia. Beleive me the pimps will come up to him and offer him a woman, or if he's used to Altanta he might walk up to a woman and approach him on his own. Oops now what hav I started Atlanta may pass osme sort of novel anti-prostitution ban and walk up to everyone woman in a dress and question her.



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Why Does the South Stay Backwards?

As a practical native of the South I have watched every dreamer, individual who wants to make positive change for the citizens of the south be run out of town. While this is stereotypical of the south and small towns it is very disappointing to actually live here and see that its true.

Everyone knows that there is a need for technology in schools. Well this week in Cobb County, Georgia a superintendent was run out of town for trying to implement a laptop program for all upper grade students and teachers in the county. This is a move that usually gets accolades and written up in the paper and has turned into a way to crucify the superintendent of the schools.

Meanwhile in the county I live in Dekalb County we have a new superintendent who is busily dismantling all of the positive implementations put in by a previous superientendant. The previous superintendent was booted out for having a no tolerance for bad behavior problem. Anyone, if anyone reads this should read this very carefully. This is how he was booted out. A parent of a student claimed that the discipline meted out to her residual, bad behaviored pathological son was unfair and overly harsh so she decided to run as a school board member for the sole purpose of going after the super. She won on a whole level of issues that had nothing to do with schools and school issues, She won because she had a dysfunctional household and life and we”voted for her because we felt sorry for her end empathized with her issues. The issues were a sorry ex husband, as soon as she decided to run as a board member, her sorry ex-husband decided to run against her. She claimed he could not run as a board member because he was a resident of Atlanta and Dekalb County. He provided proof at a special meeting just to evaluate whether he was a resident of Dekalb County, his proof was that he had been married for a year to another woman without her knowledge. Needless to say she won he lost, and whoever else was running we knew nothing about.

In the meantime, the new superintendent has issued a statement somrthing to the effect that bad students are no the problem, bad teachers are. Now that’s interesting now blame the teachers for the bad behavior of the now board members son. Do you think it was a teachers fault that he has discipline problems. I don’t thinks so. The old superintendent had an interesting way of dealing with these problems. He would rotate a whole school of teachers out of the school to determine what was going on and ruthlessly clean house whether it was a teacher or bad students. Personally this method was not an attack on a teacher or a student it was a way to determine what the problem was. As for disciplein problems the little boy that lives across from me was throwing children down on the ground and beating them up before he entered public schools. H e was doing this when he was three and four, now can we honestly blame a teacher for that, furthermore can we honestly expect effective teaching to occur in such an environment.

Finally the new superintendent is prepared to launch an attack on magnet programs. The old superintendent had a particular knack for magnets. There is a magnet for high achievers which is great. There is a magnet for Science and technology. There is an arts magnet. These are wonderful things and provide an opportunity for children with like minds and like ambitions to interact with each other. In a world where Microsoft is traveling from village to village in China and giving IQ tests to every individual who is willing and hiring the smartest ones for jobs on the spot, I can’t imagine who would be against a magnet program.

The last thing I have to write regarding this issue, there is no longer a required uniform policy in Dekalb County for students. I do believe the parents know about it but continue t send their children to school in uniforms. I think this is because we who really care about our children, and want them to have good lives, want them to be in schools where discipline is enforced, learning opportunities abound and teachers can teach. I entered elementary school in Georgia after leaving the inner city of D.C. Every morning I had to drive through buildings that had been ravished by riots decades earlier. However let me assure you that when I got there their were not students walking out of classrooms doing tumbles in the empty rooms next door, as happened in my Georgia classrooms, there were not children threatening other children because they got good grades. I do not run into classmates years later who were still shell shocked from their experiences in D.C. though I do run into them in Georgia. As a matter of fact I saw one of my former elementary classmates who was cherished for his brightness at the inner city school on a National T.V. special he was a physician. Georgia crucifies dreamers. The last dreamer we have was Martin Luther King and even he said that his father told him don’t bring that stuff here, Atlanta is not the place for it. Martin also said, as an aside he would have never married a woman from Georgia. And finally in a biography the biographer implied it would have been Corretta or a white woman. Finally as Coretta Scott King is a victim of a stroke at this moment let me add that if there had not been a Corettta, their never would have been a Martin as we know him now. Georgia is not for dreamers and intends to stay at the very bottom in terms of education and everything forever.

Saturday, August 13, 2005

HIGHLIGHT (Thank you Auntie )

I called my aunt and asked her if she would be kind enough to help me by purchasing one outfit for my child (reason again, a missed child support payment) She said ok, but I want to buy two, however she then decided to buy four. This was the highlight of the week.

I would like to say that my aunt has dedicated herself to children and believes that every child should have. She sees a need that a child has and she addresses it immediately. She has shown a sign of compassion to me that I don't believe is rare in mankind. I believe most people except the really selfish and the mean care about children and would help them in any they can. I am so grateful to her she truly embodies the spirit of what I observed during my summers and visits to Virginia.

I remember both grandmothers that I have as being extremely giving. One memory that stands out for my aunts mother, my mothers mother, is having people always call and seek a kind word from her, one time I remember a prisoner calling who just wanted to talk to my grandmother. My mother also remembers families who would stay at the house of my grandparents becuase they did not have any place to go. My grandfather was always kind too. As for my father's family his father died when he was nine, but his mother was a giving women. The thing that stands out vivdly for me with this women is the knock on the door, which even though she is dead, my father lives there and the knocks continue. What the knock meant for me was that someone needed help most of the time it was money and I was always amazed my grandmother was always there to lend it out, even if the person was a repeat visitor who never paid back. Holidays were always important to her she had a gifts for the neighborhood under her tree. One time I even remember she gave my bike away to a neighborhood child that she said needed a bike.

These are the types of individuals that I was raised around and I thank God for them. However, I suppose what they did not prepare me for was that people were not the same and did not think alike. I remember my first incident of giving when I was making not much, at an art gallery where I was working and a lady came in with a beautiful baby and said that her baby required special milk and could I give her twenty dollars, of course ,I said and gave it to her and felt happy that I could help someone out. I was later teased as being stupid by someone who had observed this event, but honestly it was not about them it was about me. Finally can someone imagine their marraige breaking up over a dollar well I think my marraige never had a chance after a beggar in San Francisco asked me for a dollar and I gave it to him despite my husbands heavy handed no. Honestly there was no way I could say no because San Francisco had been very kind to me. My quest for a job was rewarded the first day and several days later I obtained a full time job. I had come to San Francico with literally ten dollars and had managed to find shelter, and a job in days. San Francico had extended a hand out to me.There was no way I could deny anyone a dollar if they asked.

It's all circular. Maybe if we run into people unwilling to give, we may need to contemplate that inside they may be miserable human beings who despite outer trappings never quite believe that life and society has been good to them, enough for them to give back to the world.

As the week ends I refelct upon the highlights and the low lights

First of all, I think my first post this week regarded my daughter being dropped by her Godmother. I would like to add that both of my children have Godparents unfortunately my daughter ended up with a really bad one. While surprised that someone could just say drop my daughter as a God Parent I am not overly surprised since this person has been married three times and has no children probably becuase she does believe in abortion. As for her marriges when I asked her to be Godmother to my child. I was not aware that she had been married three times. It is so strange I would always mention the one time I got to see her but never actually met her was when she got married and I had thought at the time she looked wonderful and enchanting, so as a little girl of nine I had always held that vision in my mind. I would talk to her about it and say oh yeah I attended your wedding which I knew was her second marraige and we would talk about it and I assumed it was the same husband. Then one day she said I am preparing for my anniversary I've been married such a such years I don't remeber the number andI thought now I could not have been at this ladys wedding becuase in order to have been at this wedding I would ahve had to be closer to fifteen. Finally I had to put the pieces together that she had been married three times and I asked her sister has she been married three times and she said yes. Oh! Poor My daughter, I thought anyway its a non-issue now. And no she did have the money to help my daughter, in the past she has frequently asked me if I needed anything bulk from Sams that I needed her to pick up, and of course I said no, becuase I only ask anyone for anything if there is a legitimate need and there was never a legitimate need for me to have anything from Sams.

Secondly my son has a Godmother who when he was born showered him with gifts and presents unfortunately I asked her to stop becuase I felt like she was giving him too many gifts. If you ever read this, [which this blog was supposed to be semi-private,but I broke ranks with that with the webgrrls issue.]I would just like to say thank you for being so kind to my son and I will always appreciate your kindness. As for my daughters former godmother if you ever do read this I think you are the scum of the earth and I even think the only reason you go to church and used to go to day bible study on Wednesday was to sell Mary Kay. Thank you very much for taking my daughter to that day bible study and announcing to everyone that she was your Goddaughter. I hope you tell them that you dropped her as your Goddaughter. Anyway I know I was suppossed to list a highlight of the week but I will do it in a seperate post. I have no need to mention the major low light the webgrrls incident.

As I dealt with MSH (see email below)I could not help thinking that one of my premises concerning Nichols was true

As I dealt with MSH an older lady who claims to be powerful I could not help but think back to Nichols who began with a so called power house of a woman but ended up with an LPN he would have to take care of. Though the woman he was with had give him cars, a townhome, a job etc. It was not enough to hold him. I think essentially what was missing in her was a compassion and love for the world. I think what was in her was what was in men a ruthless determination to conquer at all costs even after the relationship was over. After dealing with MSH I am beginning to question the original victoms story in the Nichols case. Words of enemies and carbon copies to the head of an organization for every communiation that was held for no reason at all make me questionable of whether some of these women are capable of mentally pulling their pants off.

Honestly after dealing with MSH I believe that someone in the Nichols case made a direct call to the mayor, chief of police, or DA and had special charges attached to the Nichols case. Looking at MSH and how she attacks from the top leads me to believe that 145 years for a 45 minute rape was conjured up for Nichols. Unfortunately this conjuring up ended in a tragedy.

Finallu as for Nichols I still stand by my original premise that nichols and the white woman who was his suppossed angel knew each other, I also believe that the woman of rape knew about it. She worked for equifax she was proably preety familiar about how to perform an in depth investigation and surveillance. That's all I have to say.

The Blog I promised regarding Webgrrls and its For Profit Status

When I first showed interest in Webgrrls I naturally assumed that it was non-profit. I chose webgrrls becuase I had subscribed to their pretty extensive lists many years ago and had found it to be a nice community of individuals. I subscribed to the Silicon Valley List and it was quite active. Honestly, I thought it was just a list and never thought about attending an event. Anyway when I decided that I needed to jump start my career I started looking at different organizations to join. I looked at webgrrls and their website had not been updated in several years and linked to Passion Parties. I still was interested in joining so I followed the link that said are you interested in being a chapter leader and filled out the form. This was prior to my joining any organizations. It took Kevin six months to respond to my email. He said he had been bitten by a spider whcih in the course of my taling to him he used the spider bite to explain away everything that had happened to him. From what I could glean from communicating with him and looking at the chapters without websites that webgrrls was almost out of business but since I am never one to just call anyone out I thought it was worth my time. So we communicated over a period of weeks until I received the chapter license which said it wasa for-profit.

I questioned him intensely concerning this. I told him that my roots were in social science as a matter of fact I had taken twenty-hours in non-profit management and really in my heart could not understand the for-proft structure that he was advocating. He went into the spill about women deserve to get paid for their time and he was not running a charity etc. By the time we had gotten to this discussion about for-profit versus non-profit I had discovered that Kevin Kennedy was a liar and barely believed anything that came out of his mouth, so I listened and listened and honestly did not hear one rationale for justifying why webgrrls was not a non-profit. As far as I could hear from listening to him Kevin was only out for Kevin. Okay I said now that you are a fo-profit what would the chapter get back from you if we gave a profitable event. He told me that first of all if we gave a profitable event all of the money would come to him and he would redistribute it. I said ok we've given an event and it was profitable and wanted to give another event what part of the money would we get back to give the event. He said he would prefer that we fund our event by ticket sales and probably would not get back much. I said I don't understand what's the motive for doing this to work for you for free and that a chapter had to get somethinng back for the work that had been done. He finally said previously there had been a 60/40 breakdown with 60 percent going back to the chapter and fourty percent going back to Webgrrls but he was going to change it to where fourty went back to the chapter and sixty went back to him. As I listened to him talk and talk I just drowned him out and honestly if we gave an event had planned to ask the sponsors to pay for things like the caterer. At this point I knew I would not be deposting much money into the hands of this person. Anyway I wanted to be a webgrrl so I signed on anyway and attempted to go back to the core basics of webgrrls teaching and learning, networking etc. As for the email flap I know its about money and to this date Kevins use of webgrrls to pursue money has not netted anything but who knows MSH must have promised him a lot becuase he has gotten on her band wagon. Just call him Mr. Spider Bite Professional can't answer email for six months, can't think becuase a spider bit me, or travel around the country for a sponsored tour. Finally when MSH first began to write me negatively I discussed this with him and he said don't worry the Wall Street Journal had written negative articles about him and he had dealt with it. Anyway I hope they write some more. Finally I think someone with the last name of Kennedy is involved with technorati, it has gone downhill in three months it is not the technorati I rememeber several months ago. Maybe technolgy is not the realm for folks with the last name of Kennedy I don't know.

Letter of revocation from Kevin Kennedy

I think Kevin Does not even know his own communications based on the contract I signed I have to have thirty days notice. Kevin based on that you have breached my contract. Kevin we are going to court about this. Get ready to be sued but as I understand it you are an old hat to being sued.

Dear Olivia,
This letter is an official notification that Webgrrls International is asking that you step down as the chapter leader of the Atlanta Webgrrls Chapter.
As stated in the Webgrrls licensing contract, we have the right at any time to revoke the license to the Webgrrls brand, and we are exercising that right.
Webgrrls strives to work with women in communities worldwide to create a supportive and empowering network. We practice diplomacy with others and work to maintain respect and integrity.
Unfortunately, we do not feel that you have represented the spirit of Webgrrls International based on some of your recent email exchanges.
Our sincere apologies that this collaboration did not work out.
Please immediately cease and desist using the Webgrrls name, logo or making any references to the Webgrrls organization.
We will be making a public announcement about the change in leadership shortly. We offer you a chance to part amicably and professionally and to work with us to present your departure in a positive light.
If we do not hear back from you by 3pm EST Monday, August 15, 2005, we will send out an independent release that will inform chapter members and the community at large that the leadership is changing.
We assure you this will be done in the most professional manner.
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Sincerely,
Kevin Kennedy
CEO/Cybergrrl, Inc./Webgrrls International. Inc.
kmk@cgim.com
201 313-9037 x302 (phone)
http://www.blogger.com/www.cybergrrl.com
http://www.blogger.com/www.webgrrls.com
http://www.blogger.com/www.femina.com


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Friday, August 12, 2005

Spelling and Typo Errors

As I reread over my posts I notice quite a few typos in them. Understand that I type write and think at the same time and though I consider myself literate sometimes it may not read that way. Please forgive me for the errors. This has been a pretty intersting week so forgive me for not correcting the typos right now.

Beginning of process to terminate my lic.

This is an email Kevin sent me concerning a series of documents I had sent to him, later with the same documents he wrote something different saying that he was dissatisfied with what I had written. I wrote to him that my chapter vision was a verbatim repetition of the mission statement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Kennedy" <kmk@cgim.com>
To: "olivia walker" <designer@tightwebdesign.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: attached Press Release, Biography, and Chapter Vision

Ø Dear Olivia,> > These are perfect. We need to decide what information, if any, we are > going to include about the first meeting. Speak with you soon.> > Kevin Kennedy> Webgrrls International> > >Hello Kevin,> >> >Attached are the documents you requested.> >> >Thank you,> >> >Olivia Walker> >> >> >Attachment converted: cgPowerBook:Atlanta Webgrrls Cha#2ADD7D.doc > >(WDBN/MSWD) (002ADD7D)> >Attachment converted: cgPowerBook:biography.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (002ADD7E)> >Attachment converted: cgPowerBook:AtlantaWGpressrelease 1.doc > >(WDBN/MSWD) (002ADD7F)> >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii> >Content-Disposition: inline> >Content-Description: "AVG certification"> >> >No virus found in this outgoing message.> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 267.8.1 - Release Date: 6/24/2005> > > -- > > > Sincerely,> Kevin Kennedy> Cybergrrl, Inc./Webgrrls International. Inc.> kmk@cgim.com> 201 313-9037x302 (phone)> www.cybergrrl.com> www.webgrrls.com> www.femina.com> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 267.8.6 - Release Date: 6/28/2005> Here is the email I received concerning the same documents he had received Notice he talks about the mission of webgrrls. This is where Kevin made the decision to try to revoke my lic. for any reason The chapter vision that I wrote quotes the mission verbatim. My message basically meant that our work or my work had been done by us. I very much resented the fact that Nelly would make very minor changes to my code after I designed the website. I know that she claims that they claim for her the webgrrls site but she did not design the site the previous webgrrls had, she makes content changes to it and honestly I did not want her to take credit for work that I had read about for hours in a book as to how to do. This was totally unacceptable to me and that is what I meant though I never told him. I can work on a team when the whole team plans it but when I have to go from a site linking to passion parties essentially porn, have to plan it by myself, have to do everything it is essentially problematic to have someone claim your work and I know that small changes in the code even though I held an independent license was preparation for saying that I was helped on my site which I was not. The changes in the code was making my css sheet link to a full link rather than a relative link and something was done to the style sheet she adjusted the size on it. Since I had an independent lic. I thought this was rather inappropriate. She did tell me about it. And to be fair I told her that my style sheets were not updating automatically so she went in and changed it from a relative style sheet link to a sheet linked directly to the webgrrls domain which is not what it is uploaded to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Kennedy" <kmk@cgim.com>
To: "olivia walker" <designer@tightwebdesign.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Below is the message from Nelly to the NYC chapter

> Dear Olivia,> > I am not sure that I understand this message. Can you please clarify > what you mean and please clarify all of it. Thank you in advance. > Please keep in mind that the mission and vision of Webgrrls > International have already been articulated and the local chapters > are a reflection of and are to be consistent with those articulated > by Webgrrls International. I look forward to your response.> > Sincerely,> Kevin Kennedy> Webgrrls International> > >Thank you Kevin, but since this is not a paid effort at this point and the> >only thing I have to reflect what I've done is my work I prefer that I or> >another chapter member write our chapter vision. I have a marketing person> >who may possibly write it. We are all using this to gain experience so we> >don't want to use anybody else's words or work to reflect us in coding, site> >building, marketing etc. However I do very much appreciate the offer.> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "Kevin Kennedy" <kmk@cgim.com>> >To: "olivia walker" <designer@tightwebdesign.com>> >Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:03 PM> >Subject: Below is the message from Nelly to the NYC chapter> >> >> >> Below is the message from Nelly to the NYC chapter. Feel free to use> >> some or all or none of it.> >>> >> Dear New York City Webgrrls,> >>> >> Please let me say thank you to those who wrote me wishing me well in this> >> new role as chapter leader and I look forward to serving all of you to the> >> best of my ability. By the enthusiasm of your response, I can see there is> >a> >> great need and desire for the activities to be resumed.> >>> >> I see my role as that of a facilitator and a coordinator. I will promote> >and> >> facilitate the networking possibilities and opportunities for the group as> >> it is our network and how we leverage it that makes each of our voices> >> stronger and our reach longer individually and as> >> a group. I would like to get to know each and everyone of you, as well as> >I> >> can, including your personalities, work habits, your professional needs> >and> >> your services offered and skill sets. I will create a forum for the local> >> webgrrls members and community with the goal to network, find business> >> leads, and find strategic alliances to propel each of our careers forward.> >> (Meeting information at the bottom of this email)> >>> >> My Goals for the first year:> >>> >> - Build the NYC membership - The more people we have participating...the> >> more valuable the organization becomes for all of us.> >>> >> - Provide more networking opportunities for women of the chapter to find> >> jobs and employment prospects> >>> >> - Reinvigorate the chapter through Webgrrls relevant activities> >>> >> - Build the Webgrrls Corporate membership base - The more people we know> >the> >> more opportunity flows either to us or through us.> >>> >> - Provide more networking opportunities for women business owners to find> >> clients and vendors> >>> >> - Provide a forum for members to find mentoring opportunities> >>> >> - Integrate our organization more with the local Tech and Internet> >community> >>> >> - Develop a Steering Committee - so others have the opportunity to> >> participate in charting the direction of the chapter and create a> >> circumstance where those participating can highlight and showcase their> >> services and skills.> >>> >> - To work closely with headquarters to leverage the infrastructure of> >> Webgrrls International> >>> >> - To serve as a model chapter for other chapters to follow> >>> >> MEETING INFORMATION> >> The first New York City Webgrrls meeting will be held on November 9, 2004> >at> >> 6:30pm - 8:30pm at Millefleurs Day Spa, 3 East 17th Street 2nd Floor, in> >New> >> York City. For more information, contact me at nelly@cgim.com.> >>> >> To ensure that we get an accurate head count, please RSVP asap to> >> nelly@cgim.com> >>> >> Sincerely,> >> Nelly Yusupova> >> New York City Webgrrls Chapter Leader> >> email: nelly@cgim.com> >> http://www.webgrrls.com> >> --> >>> >>> >> Sincerely,> >> Kevin Kennedy> >> Cybergrrl, Inc./Webgrrls International. Inc.> > > kmk@cgim.com> >> 201 313-9037x302 (phone)> >> www.cybergrrl.com> >> www.webgrrls.com> >> www.femina.com> >>> >>> >>> >> --> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> >> Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 267.8.6 - Release Date: 6/28/2005> >>> >> >> >> >--> >No virus found in this outgoing message.> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 267.8.6 - Release Date: 6/28/2005> > > -- > > > Sincerely,> Kevin Kennedy> Cybergrrl, Inc./Webgrrls International. Inc.> kmk@cgim.com> 201 313-9037x302 (phone)> www.cybergrrl.com> www.webgrrls.com> www.femina.com> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.> Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 267.8.6 - Release Date: 6/28/2005> >

I am afraid of African Americans in Power

I am afraid of black persons with power. For it has been used against me, when I was a young college studnet and was suspended from my university for something I said. My response was to tell the local newspaper about it and it was eventually published in the Washington Post under Black college suspends student for something she said.

I hate to say this but blacks in America use power like Africans in Africa. We could be living in Rwanda, or some other African country where blacks use their power to destroy others for their comments or actions that they do not like. I support freedom and democracy for everyone however I honestly don't think that certain blacks fall behind this program. Maybe it's all Americans who don't fall behind this and I have only dealt with blacks, but as I live in the metro area which is populated and partly controlled by blacks and it is like living in a thrid world country for me.

As for black professionals I have to say I honestly exclude teachers from being in the hitman mode of black professionals are as dubois statet the talented tenth. They were the ones who taught me to believe in democracy. They were the ones who taught me that the world was idealistic and good, and it is in some places but not in the places I've frequented. I am hopelesly, helplessly afraid of blacks in power.

I suppose if whites would hold blacks to the same testing standards, I was I thought, a national merit scholarship finalist, but ended up being a national acheivement scholar which for the first means I have the highest scores in the Uniteds States and the second means I have the highest scores in Black America, "as everyone knows I am a bad record keeper" anyway if whites would not make exceptions for blacks in terms of requirements but would encourage qualified blacks to be leaders this abuse of power problem may not exist in the society that we live in. For I know one Harvard grad who has told me that he just wishes he could run away he just does not understand the social and political methods of fellow blacks and neither do I.

As for affirmative action I have never been extended the favor. It must be a private club that I have not been invited to. I have always had to work hard for anything I've acheived, if i've achieved anything, and then been accused of being an affirmtive action candidate which i and many of my generation never had extended to us.

#not checked for spelling

Second Round with MSH

When MSH wrote and aked me to take her off the mailing list for webgrrls. I thought well maybe it's just her way to be blunt and maybe that's who she is. I became curious about her and looked at her website which I did not find too appealing so I wrote in all seriousness that I would like to do a make over of her website. I thought since she had been so blunt with me that I could be blunt with her maybe she was just one of those individuals. She wrote back and sent me to another site that I mistakenly thought was a link to her web designer and then when I read the message again I discovered that it was a link to her site. Unfortunately i had mistakenly called her site "bad" which I had no intention of doin it was an accident anyway. After that she threatened me with an attorney and I was "bad" real "bad" , but we have a history. Maybe I deserved the termination of my license after rereading the email. Oh well such as life now I can concentrate on my studies.

Here is the email:


I did not use the webgrrls name for anything. I offered a simple suggestion to you. If you feel that I have solicited anything from you I am sorry you feel that way. Considering you contacted me first in July with threats, without my never ever having heard of you. I think your allegations would be problematic. I still have your email where you threatened to destroy me. While we are at it let me state I know people far far more important then you, and of all the people I’ve ever known who have claimed to be important you have to be the one who has lacked the least class. Basically your personality looks like your website and you can take that to your attorney but understand you were the one who contacted me first in July. I honestly would have never known you existed if you had not. In other words we have a history

As for who you show this to, show it to the world because you are a plantation individual and anyone who gets behind your methods is getting what they expect a plantation person with all bluster and no skill and no I will not contact you ever because without an original communication from you I would have never ever contacted you. Without a communication from you in July that was quite nasty I would have never contacted you. Furthermore in July I asked you to contact Kevin if you had any webgrrls business to talk about. So if you contact me again I will have to call my attorney and threaten you with a harassment suit.



From: Marjorie Singley-Hall [mailto:singm@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:23 AMTo: 'olivia'Cc: 'Kevin Kennedy'Subject: RE: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer

Olivia –

This site has won numerous awards. Obviously, we are not on the same page or at the same experience level with web design requirements. Jackson Spalding is one of the top marketing/pr/web design firms in the Southeast. Before you begin to critique their work, especially in writing, I would suggest that you defer to the fact that they have a lot of influence in the Atlanta business community and beyond in your marketplace.

I am totally unimpressed with your work. I run businesses, and I have no desire to have “Picasso colors” represented on my site, nor would I allow banner ads. It is not professional in my business, and you obviously do not understand or “get it”.

Do not ever contact me again. If you do, you will hear from my corporate attorney next. I have no desire to work with you now or in the future, nor do I want to hear your opinions on anything. I view your use of my e-mail address as part of the Webgrrls database to solicit business for your company and to peruse and critique my web sites without invitation to be a violation of my privacy as well as a violation of business ethics.

I would be very disappointed to learn that the national offices of Webgrrls would condone or approve of this.

Marjorie

Marjorie Singley-Hall
Managing Partner
Ampersand Associates, Inc.
Piedmont Center
3495 Piedmont Road, N.E.
Building 12, Suite 115
Atlanta, GA 30305
Tel: (404) 812-8923
Fax: (404) 812-8921
Cell: (770) 815-6976
marjorie@ampersandinc.net



From: olivia [mailto:designer@tightwebdesign.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:36 PMTo: 'Marjorie Singley-Hall'Subject: RE: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer

Marjorie,

I did visit the site you sent me to and I was not impressed. The work that I do through my firm is state of the art. I use the most current and the newest technologies. HTML and CSS which facilitates the fast loading of pages, makes it friendly to the handicap, and for devices such as cell phones. I am the best for several reasons, but anyway. I hope you did get a chance to visit the sites I sent you to, and please feel free to visit my business site tightwebdesign.com. You may want to know that the colors from the tight design website are from a particular painting from the Picasso blue period. In other words there are no colors in the site that have not been taken from the particular painting I used. Anyway if you change your mind, about the site or about webgrrls, I would welcome your business and your being a part of webgrrls. Finally I would like to apologize to you if I have offended you in anyway. This is not my personality and I would like to think that everyone that I meet has goodwill towards me and I them.

Thank you,

Olivia Walker

From: Marjorie Singley-Hall [mailto:singm@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:14 PMTo: 'olivia'Subject: RE: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer

Olivia –

I have a web designer, professional writer, and creative artist on staff who work on all of my web sites – I currently have four domain sites. Ampersand is the only one being redesigned at the moment, so the three in-house professionals are collaborating on it to relaunch it by the end of the month. The Eton Partners site at www.etonpartners.com was redone last year by Jackson & Spalding, and we are very happy with their work. The other two sites are fine.

We spend a lot of money for the best product available, so I don’t feel that we need to have you “redo” anything.

Marjorie

Marjorie Singley-Hall
Managing Partner
Ampersand Associates, Inc.
Piedmont Center
3495 Piedmont Road, N.E.
Building 12, Suite 115
Atlanta, GA 30305
Tel: (404) 812-8923
Fax: (404) 812-8921
Cell: (770) 815-6976
marjorie@ampersandinc.net



From: olivia [mailto:designer@tightwebdesign.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:00 PMTo: 'Marjorie Singley-Hall'Subject: RE: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer

Hello,

I certainly will take you off of the mailing list.

However I always follow the domains of email addresses and I had the opportunity to visit your website. I would like for you to consider allowing me to redo your website.
In today’s society your website determines who you are, it determines your credibility though I know you have a lot. A well done website can increase business for you. You may want to visit my latest site: http://priority1protection.com/ and here is a site I have done as a student project that you may find similar to yours, this person is a Mergers and Acquisition Attorney http://marvinwturner.tripod.com , and of course I designed the webgrrls_atlanta site.

In the mean time I will remove you from the mailing list but I certainly would like for you to consider allowing me to develop your professional presence on the web.

Thank you,

Olivia Walker
From: Marjorie Singley-Hall [mailto:singm@mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:44 PMTo: atlanta-ga@webgrrls.comSubject: RE: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer

Olivia –

Again, please take me off this list.

Marjorie

Marjorie Singley-Hall
Managing Partner
Ampersand Associates, Inc.
Piedmont Center
3495 Piedmont Road, N.E.
Building 12, Suite 115
Atlanta, GA 30305
Tel: (404) 812-8923
Fax: (404) 812-8921
Cell: (770) 815-6976
marjorie@ampersandinc.net



From: Announce List for Atlanta, GA Webgrrls [mailto:WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A@LISTS.CGIM.COM] On Behalf Of olivia walkerSent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:36 AMTo: WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A@LISTS.CGIM.COMSubject: [WEBGRRLS-ATLANTA-GA-A] FW: Thanks for Coming to the Webgrrls Mixer





As the chapter leader of Webgrrls I would like to thank everyone for attending our mixer on Thursday August 5, 2005.

The atmosphere of Tarrazu was excellent for a mixer. Downstairs the barista John steamed up lattes, herbal tea, and cheesecake to die for. The loft with the baby grand piano, amid the atmosphere of original art-work, and sculpture with tables and conversation pits scattered throughout the room was an eclectic fitting atmosphere for the Webgrrls mixer. I encourage anyone who reads this to contact Tim Howard, the owner of Tarrazu for a booking for their next event.

We were honored with a visit from djmuscleque who will be on WCLK this Saturday with his show Jazz Nouveaux! He also brought a cd by of his favorite jazz nouveaux works. While he is in the IT field, and being a DJ is his weekend warrior position you may be able to convince him to DJ your next event.

Finally, the women in attendance were impressive. The ice breaker led by Jenn Wood, an interactive email specialist, led to positive interactions and served to get everyone comfortably familiar with each other. Those in attendance were riveted by Courtney Miller an open source specialist and owner of the Web Development firm FLOATLEFT. She engaged us all in an enlightening discussion of Linux.

Again, I would like to thank everyone for coming and urge you to please support our host for the night Tim Howard of Tarrazu.

The next meeting will be held at Savannah College of Art and Design - Atlanta on September 8, 2005 at 6:30 pm. The speaker will be Tiffany B. brown who will speak on Blogging for professional success. We look forward to seeing everyone and again our host houses a hip and eclectic venue as the former home to a high tech firm.

Threat One

In July, when I first began I received an out of the blue an email with high priority exclamations asking me who was I? The emailer told me that she was a board member and essentially asked where did I come from and asked me to call her. The first thing she said to me was where was her money. She stated that Webgrrls owed a lot of people money and she had paid those people webgrrls part whichI bought this for a while until she said the woma who departed had been the head of six organizations at one point women in technology, women in communication and a whole lot of other organizations, I proceeded to ask what happened to those organizations and were they still in existance and she said they were. So I wondered what was the problem with this one. We had several conversations, the first one I said well we could work together and plan events and if persons needed to be reimbursed then we would take it out of money raised When I discussed this with Kevin he said absolutely not he did not know who these people were and they would not get their money back. As for Kevin and money he lies about it, I fully believe that he told Gloria Moore to build a seperate account for webgrrls activities and when she did she was scapegoated on. There is a that dissertation states that there wwere wide spread problems with money and this is from women interviewed around the country. Anyway I did not dislike the woman I spoke with on the phone though she was rather negative and told me that my proposed speaker had been the treasurer during the reign of the previous chapter leader and wondered why I would ask her to speak. I explained to her the wonderful things this young woman had done but she still wondered. After seeing the consequences of what this and the other woman can do. I think they are professionals at tearing down reputations. They are mean jack. Anyway here is the email that was sent to me by one of them. Mind you my threat according to her was telling her that I had refrained from posting the membership list which was one member and revealing that webgrrls was a for profit entity becuase the other woman sat on a board for non-profits only. I wanted to post the membership list like another chapter had, however did not becuase the woman was concerned about her board status and had not paid dues for close to four years, again Kevin may say they did if he feels they can bring in some money to webgrrls. I thought I was being nice but evidently not. She thought I threatened her which I did not. As for KEvin after the email below he threatened to revoke my webgrrls lic. I told him that I did not find anything defamatory in the emailbelow and I there is nothing but the the truth in it. Honestly I think Kevin belives that if he can have one chapter that makes money it will be ol with him, and atlanta might be the place for that. For some reason since I've taken down the website linking to porn and placed a really nice website up that actually has plans he's placed an inordinate amount of interest in the Atlanta chapter and not any in the fourtyother sites that are not even active in the UNited States. Furthermore he has told me that he plans on initiating some sort of commision structure for each woman that a chapter leader can bring in. At this point I asked Kevin to pay for some copies for a meeting by account he refused. This is a for profit organization but the bottom line is the woman aho runit see no profit and work like dogs and I did work like a dog I had to do everything, write letters, so the website, book the venue, post the events, get the speaker etc. everything you see thus far was done by one person me. So I know that it is for my best interest that my license has ben revoked.

Finally I know that the individuals below had not paid dues for three years. At this point Kevin may lie and say they did, I don't know. But the last time I checked there was one member on the roster and she had joined in 2002. Anyway this one person was saying that she was a webgrrls board member when webgrrls did not even exist in Atlanta and they both knew it. Below I am attaching the emails I can find.

The Email

Olivia –

I do not appreciate the tone of your e-mail or your allegations. I have had personal correspondence from Webgrrls via e-mail for the last three years on a weekly basis. I have corresponded with other national members, as well as received regular updates from the national chapter. When the chapter was active, I personally probably put in about 15 hours a month and considerable money to help it grow.

There was a chapter leader in Atlanta as recently as two years ago, and her name was Gloria Moore. There was a lot of money collected directly from women who thought that they were members of the Atlanta chapter, but who never received membership information or attended a meeting other than the one where they paid dues to Gloria. Many of the members, including me, paid dues to the national chapter and were not out the money, but many others were not so lucky.

You have to overcome that negativity, not me. I have purposefully stayed away from interfering with that controversy, but I admire and respect the fact that Stephanie felt badly for these women and went to bat for them with the national chapter. She also attempted to personally contact Gloria, who went underground and left a lot of other organizations high and dry as well as Webgrrls. For your information, some of these groups affected by Gloria, such as Women in Communications, have revived and gone on to reestablish their chapters, and some have never recovered. Stephanie has very high integrity, and she is well respected in this community. A lot of people out there know about her efforts here.

There is a far bigger picture here than what you are looking at from your own personal perspective. If you are working with Stephanie, I applaud you. If not, I would suggest that you respect that she has paved the way for you to be able to even reestablish a chapter here.

Atlanta is, in reality, just an overgrown small town, especially when it comes to the technology community. I believe that I have probably been in this business community here for about 30 years longer than you have. I have placed executives in and found funding for most of the major technology firms in town. I do not want to make an enemy of you, but I will tell you right now that I do not appreciate your comments, your allegations and your threats.

If you would like to discuss this, feel free to call me at any of the numbers below. I will be talking with the national office, just to let you know.

Marjorie

Marjorie Singley-Hall
Managing Partner
Ampersand Associates, Inc.
Piedmont Center
3495 Piedmont Road, N.E.
Building 12, Suite 115
Atlanta, GA 30305
Tel: (404) 812-8923
Fax: (404) 812-8921
Cell: (770) 815-6976
marjorie@ampersandinc.net



From: olivia walker [mailto:atlantawebgrrl@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:13 PMTo: Marjorie Singley-HallCc: kmk@cgim.comSubject: Re: Webgrrls

Look Marjorie let me be blunt with you. Webgrrls is a for profit membership organization and Webgrrls Atlanta has not been active in Atlanta for the last three years. There has not been an official posting for the last three years. There has been no chapter leader in the last three years. It has been a defunct chapter. At the national level no one has any knowledge of any organizing activity going on in Atlanta. If you have kept the fires burning in Atlanta in regards to Webgrrls please send dates, times, and activities of mixers, meetings, dues etc. so I can update national about it. Dues have not been paid to Webgrrls International by anyone in the last three years. Furthermore the chapter leader appoints the board members.

Stephanie has explained the situation to me and in an attempt to help her I will not be publishing the membership roster which does not include her or you.

The Charlotte chapter has published their roster.

If you have any more "problems" You really need to take them up with Kevin. I am the new Chapter Leader and I have a bright shining future planned for Webgrrls Atlanta and a fresh start again if you want to correspond with me regarding this issue either take it up with Kevin or show me your dues paying members, your meetings, your minutes, etc. within the last two years and we can talk otherwise please take you negativity somewhere else.

Finally in the last three years there have been no board members of Webgrrls Atlanta because there have been no chapter leaders. Since board members are appointed by the chapter leader at this point please tell everyone involved to avoid referring to themselves as board members because I have appointed none and none have paid dues or been appointed in three years. If you need me to publicly post this on the website I will.

Stephanie and I have spoken and come to a consensus at this point you need to stay out of this issue because I really don't want to take this any further then Stephanie and myself.

Thank you,

Olivia Walker
----- Original Message -----
From:
Marjorie Singley-Hall
To:
atlanta-ga@webgrrls.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: Webgrrls

Olivia –

I am confused. Stephanie Bradley-Dale has done an incredible job over the last few years of keeping Webgrrls alive in Atlanta, in spite of the very difficult demise of the chapter due to the previous president and monetary irregularities. She has spent her own time and money on this, and she has represented Webgrrls with some major groups in Atlanta, including one I chair, the Atlanta Women’s Alliance (
www.atlantawomensalliance.org). I am also on the Advisory Board of the Women’s Leadership Exchange, 5 other non-profit women’s groups, and I just rotated off the board of TAG but remain on their Leadership Council.

Incidentally, I am a past Executive Board member of the Atlanta chapter of Webgrrls as well.

I see Stephanie’s name mentioned nowhere in your notice. Surely she is being included in this effort to revive the chapter. If not, I would assure you that a number of prominent members in the technology community in Atlanta would be distressed, including myself. I have also written to Kevin at the national offices to express my concern as well.

Please advise.

Marjorie

Marjorie Singley-Hall
Managing Partner
Ampersand Associates, Inc.
Piedmont Center
3495 Piedmont Road, N.E.
Building 12, Suite 115
Atlanta, GA 30305
Tel: (404) 812-8923
Fax: (404) 812-8921
Cell: (770) 815-6976
marjorie@ampersandinc.net




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Warning One

Following this statement I am cutting and pasteing a dissertation done on webgrrls. I can honestly say that I agree with all that has been written in this dissertation concerning webgrrls. It is true but I would have stayed on anyway becuase I liked being a webgrrl. I can remeber talking to Kevin Kennedy and actually think I was talking to a brick wall and hanging up the phone crying becuase I had joined a womens organization becuase I did not want to talk to men and here I had to talk to one about this organization. Second of all when Kevin contacted me for a leadership role in the organization I had even forgatten that I had applied it had been at least six months before when I had written a notice in response to an enquiry on the website applying to be chapter leader. Anyway for the record I would have stayed so it does not sound like bitter grapes but the converations between Kevin and I got so intense that at times I felt he had to have some woman somewhre that he was beating becuase I got the feeling he did not like woman that much, it was always a relief to hang up on him. I should talk with hime some more but honestly I have a 4.0 gpa that I am trying to maintain and since I am mega dedicated to anything and everything I had toyed with the thought of resigning becuase this is my last quarter and programming is intense so honestly this has worked out for the best. Unfortunately no-one wants to gave a license agreement terminated as mine was especially since they have worked so hard with links to webgrrls, bringing it up in the search engines, removing smut from the website etc.... but I have made the path slightly easier for who will follow. After all its gone from being something nobody wanted in Atlanta to being coveted. So I have succeded somewhere. Anyway here is the disseration and it is long...............


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Chapter 9 - An Organization in Transition: Webgrrls is Dead, Long Live DigitalEve
Introduction
In November of 2000, a message appeared on the Webgrrls mailing list. In part, it
read, "We are thrilled to announce the launch of DigitalEve Toronto, DigitalEve Canada,
and DigitalEve International." The Toronto Webgrrls had effectively been transformed
into a new organization, Digital Eve Toronto, part of Digital Eve International (DEI).
DEI was now a global women's organization and community which was avowedly
committed to the advancement and promotion of women in the so-called "digital world".
The shift from Webgrrls to Digital Eve International (DEI) had multiple origins.
Originally started by a single woman—Aliza Sherman—in New York, as an informal
networking group for women in technology, Webgrrls International (WGI) had exploded
over the years to include thousands of members worldwide. In a general sense the
organization was at the point where its sheer size was becoming cumbersome to manage
without a formal structure. But more specifically, issues of power, group relations and
mandate were coming into conflict. WGI, while it used volunteer labour, was actually a
for-profit organization with a centralized, hierarchical chain of command. When Sherman
departed and director May Leong stepped down, control of the operation of WGI was
allocated to Sherman's business partner and CEO of Cybergrrl.com, Kevin Kennedy. The
resulting values of WGI combined with Kennedy's managerial style (and, some would
say, his gender) resulted in rumblings of dissent in the WGI ranks. Chapters of WGI
outside the United States were critical of the American-centric organization (which they
perceived as a stark contrast to its avowedly international mandate), and observed that
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they had essentially been left adrift in terms of support, despite being required to
contribute dues to WGI. All chapters wanted more autonomy to manage their own
finances, and meet the local needs of their members, and felt that Kennedy's centralized
control was anathema to their healthy development and self-management. The official
top-down management structure of WGI was in conflict with the reality of the ad hoc
day-to-day workings of individual chapters, and there was little internal consistency
besides WGI's control of finances. Chapter leaders were discouraged by WGI from
communicating with one another; their only means of discussion was an email list
moderated by Kennedy.
Eventually, the rumblings of dissent turned into open (and autonomously self-
moderated) dialogue between a few individuals, and in a whirlwind of excited activity,
long distance phone calls, and emails, the idea for Digital Eve International was born.
The birth of a new organization is a time of great excitement and enthusiasm for those
involved.
1
This first stage of developing a new group is distinguished by exuberance and
creativity, as current and future leaders and participants envision the potential for change.
While there is extensive work and often a loose structure (with the inherent possibilities
for interpersonal conflict), differences in philosophy and approach tend to be viewed as
unimportant in the face of such a significant project. As Evans recalls:
People are... they're very passionate about [DEI] in kind of a unique way, they don't
really get bogged down in small things, I mean yeah we had some dissent, but once a
decision had been reached, it was clear sailing. But it was really apparent to everyone that
it was something we really needed to do so we weren't going to get bogged down in small
1
Stephanie Riger, "Challenges of Success: Stages of Growth in Feminist Organizations," Feminist Studies
20, no.2 (Summer 1994): 275-300.
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things like a name, a logo, a colour scheme, we were going to find something and if it
wasn't perfect, we'd work with it, but it was going to get done.
The central concerns at this point in an organization's development are obtaining
resources, legitimacy, and a niche for the organization's product or services.
2
Once
chapter leaders decided to leave WGI, there was a whirlwind of activity. Evans
remembers it thus:
The distance between what we were and what [WGI] were was just increasing. And so, in
June of this year [2000], a whole bunch of us, about forty-seven chapter leaders from
around the world... critical mass developed somehow, and we all got on this mailing list...
and it evolved into what is now DigitalEve, and that was a really, it was just one of the
most exciting things I've ever been involved in in my life, it was just amazing, y'know,
people from all over the planet who've got these common objectives and obviously are
involved in this organization because they believe that the organization upholds those
objectives, and have been severely disillusioned by that, and decided to create something
positive out of it, and it was just amazing.
Once the dust settled from the initial storm of activity, eight women were left to push the
DigitalEve initiative through, and it was these women—May Chong, Diane Darling,
Jennifer Evans, Anna Gonowon, Judy Hawkins, Dana Jones, Ann Baker, and May
Leong—who developed and formalized the structure of DEI as it presently stands.
Despite differences in theoretical stance, experience, interests, and strategic approaches,
these DEI founders managed to build an enormous infrastructure swiftly and
thoughtfully. This process of DEI's development will be explored further below.
Given the pre-existing structure which WGI provided, loose as it was, the
collectivity and formalization stages which Riger cites ended up blurring into one
another. Because there was some pre-existing infrastructure at the local level of chapters,
DEI founders were able to utilize this to further formalize their operations, as well as
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build new layers of structure on the existing foundations. Although, according to Riger,
many women's groups lose their spontaneous, ad hoc feel as a result of this increased
beaurocratization, many WGI (and eventually DEI) members had requested more
transparent, accountable structures, particularly around things like leadership selection.
The new, more extensively formalized DEI policies and procedural guidelines would, it
was hoped, address these needs. The test of these guidelines in Toronto was to be the
election of an Executive Director and Board of Directors, and I discuss this process
below. On the other hand, as a result of the email list partitioning into special interest
groups (SIGs) to address topics such as marketing, careers, and specific technical topics,
and the somewhat rigid monitoring of this structure, many members felt that the group
had strayed too far from its intial communally inclusive feel. As a result, some
suggested, the group no longer had anything to offer them. These sentiments continued
to circulate and periodically re-emerge. The latest instance of this type of discourse
occurred in a list discussion of June 2001, and members posted emails such as:
This is not the list it was when I first joined, it's narrowed it's scope of reference and a lot
of the ladies who were the real gurus on the list have left. I'm not learning nearly as much
as I used to from this list, nor am I contributing as much as I once did... this list no longer
has the sense of community that it once did. [June 16, 2001]
Maybe we, as an organization, need to look at the list issue again. Perhaps we all don't
feel entirely comfortable with the, in my opinion, somewhat patriarchal model of splitting
all discussions by topic: tech-only here, career-only there, chit-chat over there. Perhaps
our membership requires a more organic and inclusive approach? [June 17, 2001]
This formalization stage, then, would prove to be an ongoing challenge for the fledgling
organization. One of DEI's central challenges was retaining the sense of community
2
Ibid., 279.
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which was felt with the original WG, but managing the often cumbersome membership
base.
Outside of the membership list, most media response to the shift from WGI to
DEI was positive. However, some sources suggested that this change was representative
of the fact that women's groups were unable to play nice and present a coherent, united
front. The online magazine Salon suggested in its article "Who Are You Calling 'Sister'?"
that Digital Eve was "poaching Webgrrls' members, chapter by chapter."
3
Sherman was
said to be personally hurt that Digital Eve "is literally being built on the Webgrrls
membership, as opposed to people just coming from Webgrrls."
4
The article continued
on to ruminate over women workers and organization in general:
Women who have become savvy professionals in the high-tech world tend
to be both ardently competitive and well-versed in marketing tactics—
including the practice of promoting one's product by casting aspersions on
others'... And yet, in the name of feminism and sisterly love and the
betterment of womankind, these women still really want the other women
to like them; they hold steadfast to the notion of common ground. So with
the same voice they criticize the women they disagree with, they
simultaneously reach out and ask for forgiveness and friendship.
5
In another article which appeared in the Ottawa Citizen, the same theme was evident:
"Sadly, the battles over Webgrrls are characteristic of the kind of in-fighting that has
plagued women's movements—online and off—for years. For some reason, sisterhood is
too often tempered with a destructive competitiveness."
6
When the latter article was
posted to the DigitalEve list, one member fired back a salvo:
3
Janelle Brown, "Who Are You Calling 'Sister'?," Salon December 21, 2000.
4
Ibid.
5
Ibid.
6
Janelle Brown and Paula McCooey, "A Split in the Sisterhood," Ottawa Citizen April 9, 2001.
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...what it all boils down to, according to the writers, is a bitchy catfight. You'd think
people would get tired of describing any dissent within women's groups as "destructive
competitiveness". How 'bout "a re-evaluation of direction" or "a difference in goals"?
How come when male-directed groups have a difference of opinion it's a difference of
opinion, but when women-directed groups do, it's "in-fighting" with "chaos and bitter
break-ups"? Grrr, it annoys me when writers load their stories with all that undercut-the-
feminist-movement-because-those-silly-chicks-don't-know-what-they're-doing-anyway
freight left over from the sixties. Seems to me that those kind of patronizing, insidious,
and in this case, inaccurate, descriptions are far more harmful than the disagreements the
writers purport to be reporting.[April 9, 2001]
From this exchange, we can see a number of the themes and issues discussed in the
previous chapters emerging in the discourse around the shift from Webgrrls to Digital
Eve. Gender factors significantly into much of the representation, as do economic,
strategic, and structural concerns.
In this chapter I will explore the process of Webgrrls International (WGI)
becoming Digital Eve International (DEI), and Toronto Webgrrls (TWG) becoming
Digital Eve Toronto (DET). Often, it is precisely at a point of crisis and/or change when
the values, structure, and strategy of an organization become clarified; the organization
tends to either dissolve altogether, split off into various factions, or transform itself into a
new organization. It remains to be seen which path DEI and DET will take in the long
term, although the evidence is strong that given the choices of its founders in terms of
focus and galvanization of mandate, development of structure, and careful choice of
strategy, the organization will continue to grow and serve the many of the needs of its
members.
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The process of change
Unlike many other women's groups, DEI developed its values and structure in a
unique way. Although its roots in a small band of New York women were ad hoc,
grassroots, and informal, the explosion of membership which resulted in thousands of
members scattered across the globe meant that this type of organization had to be swiftly
re-evaluated. Since almost no grassroots women's groups could boast of this membership
size and scope, they provided few useful models for the founders to use. However, the
founders examined organizations with which they were familiar, such as the existing
Toronto Webgrrls and Women in Trades and Technoloy (WITT), and then extracted the
elements which they found useful. Armed with both industry and community research,
DEI founders were ready to proceed to the development of their own organization. In a
single marathon weekend in February 2001, the eight women created the DEI structure
and mandate.
As a result of the process of formation, as well as the socioeconomic positioning
of its founders, the development of DEI had a number of features which were somewhat
unusual in the context of grassroots women's organizing. The first unique aspect of DEI's
development relative to other women's groups was its relationship to corporate
associations, especially funding bodies. As discussed in previous chapters, women's
organizations often have a fraught relationship with funding bodies, tending to rely on
them for survival, but also resenting their presence when the funding body sets the
agenda for the group. In addition, the vast majority of grassroots women's groups relied
on small amounts of state funding. DEI, in contrast, had bigger fish to fry, and in a
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different pan altogether. Building on the experience of its founders as professional
workers in the private sector, DEI decided to go after large-scale corporate sponsorship,
often in the realm of tens of thousands of dollars, as part of its core funding. Armed with
incisively accurate industry research, derived from years of working in the corporate
sector, as well as a good dose of entrepreneurial chutzpah, they targeted large high-tech
companies as major funding sources.
This sort of funding model was largely
unprecedented in grassroots women's organizing; traditionally many women's
organizations either did not consider corporate sponsorship or actively resisted it. Erosion
of opportunities for state funding combined with the ongoing challenge of service
provision to meet diverse needs results in nonprofit organizations looking increasingly at
private sector sponsorship.
7
While there are many excellent reasons for avoiding
corporate sponsorship (which I have mentioned in earlier chapters), DEI's choice to be
funded by corporations resulted in a bigger budget than most women's organizations
could ever dream of.
As an academic whose experience had been only in state- or self-funded, smaller
women's groups, I was initially hesitant to view this style of funding as a positive
development. My main concern was that DEI would be unable to be a critical voice for
women's work and technology advocacy, and this hesitation continues to inform my
theoretical stance. However, my reluctance has been tempered by the observation of
potential advantages which this kind of funding choice allows. Moreover, I was
7
As Abramovitz notes, "With increased competition for resources (money, volunteers, contributions of
goods and services, etc.) come inventions of sophisticated responses." Albert J. Abramovitz, "Key Trends
in Nonprofit Management," Structure of Nonprofit Management: A Casebook ed. Pranab Chatterjee and
Albert Abramovitz (Maryland: University Press of America, 1993), 266.
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concerned that the choice of some chapters to charge membership dues as well as
allowing corporate sponsorship would perhaps render participation inaccessible to some
women with lower incomes, or from particular demographic groups (the Toronto chapter
remains free). Finally, of particular interest to me (although somewhat tangential to this
thesis which is focused on Toronto) was the fact that in the United States, incorporation
as a non-profit meant that American DigitalEve chapters were legally required to allow
men in their membership. I will discuss the results of this funding for DEI structure and
labour below.
The second unique aspect of DEI's formation was its speed. Unlike many groups
who developed their structure over a long period of debate and discussion, DEI's
founders met and completed their work over three days. While the groundwork for this
process had been laid over several months of email and long-distance phone discussion,
the formalization of values and structure took place around a dining room table in
Waterloo, over a long weekend in February 2001. This speed was necessary for a couple
of reasons: the split from WGI meant that the founders of DEI needed to put something
else in place swiftly; and the size of the membership meant that ad hoc structure would
simply not work. The Toronto leaders had anticipated possible problems in 1998, and
had begun initiating some backup plans such as domain name registration. A former SC
member recalled the early anticipation of problems in TWG, a few years before the actual
move to DET.
Certainly I think that [this issue] has been around, and the fact that the Toronto chapter of
WebGrrls has been one of the most progressive of all of them, maybe that's why the
problems have come to fore much more quickly... The director at that time, and others
who were in touch with chapter heads, they could already see this happening... just
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because of our position and some of the things we were trying to do, like find
sponsorship for certain events and things like that, because we were trying to do these
things and... we were running into this wall from WebGrrls Internationals, saying this is
really not policy, you can't collect money for yourselves, it has to go through head office,
we'll pay it out to you, and certainly I guess, as time went by it was getting harder and
harder for people to deal with. I could totally see that this would happen.[S24]
However it was not until June of 2000 that over forty chapter leaders came together to
discuss forming a new organization. In October 2000, DEI was officially launched with
prepared media fanfare, and in February 2001, the entire infrastructure from mandate to
budget to projected membership was established.
The third notable feature of DEI's development was the process of developing
values. Instead of allowing the values to "fall out" informally, or situating the values in
an ideological vision, DEI used a corporate "vision statement" model to narrow down its
objectives. Using the expertise of professional public relations people, the founders
approached their value development as market research, conceiving of DEI as a branded
product rather than an undifferentiated organization. Inherent to this kind of conception
was not only the necessity of producing a bounded, focused mandate, but also
considering how to represent and promote it. This required delineation of audience
demographics (both desired and actual), production of a media package, and a good deal
of insider PR and marketing savvy. Moreover, it required an organizational self-
conception which established DEI as a product (perhaps, the more cynical would suggest,
a commodity, although this dire view has not yet been substantiated).
The fourth, and perhaps the most significant feature of DEI's emergence was the
sheer scale of operations. As I have mentioned, DEI boasted thousands of members,
scattered in local chapters worldwide, and membership continues to explode. The
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Toronto chapter alone, at time of writing, had over four thousand members, and there
were nine chapters across Canada in major urban centres. Email communication meant
that a group of this size could be informed, co-ordinated, and managed with relative ease.
The budget for DEI was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. This scale of operation
is unprecedented for a grassroots women's organization.
In the rest of the chapter, I will explore the development of DEI from its origins
as WGI, and how this development provides a model that challenges conventional norms
of women's organizing, raises difficult questions of ideology and practice, and suggests
new directions for future work.
Developing values
As previously mentioned, DEI's formalization of its values was an unusual
process compared to other women's organizations. The development of "vision",
"mission statement", and "target market" was executed as if DEI was a branded product
or corporation. While this might appear to be a cold, calculating, and above all a
corporate approach, thus far, this has proven to be an extremely perceptive strategic
choice. It is essential for a new group to consider what service it provides, what needs it
would like to fill, and what niche it should occupy.
8
DEI's mandate has been palatable
and appealing to diverse groups of women, largely due to careful consideration by its
founders, and its focus on "doing" rather than "being". DEI's values are predicated on
activity and action, rather than identity and ideology. This allows them to be extremely
8
As Riger argues.
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focused in their membership appeal, while easily incorporating diversity and substantial
variation. As Evans states:
...it's like the circles where the centre meets, and the one thing that draws everyone
together is technology, you can [get] academics to professionals to everyone in between...
I think that that's the thing, you can get people who are as dissimilar as you can possibly
imagine, and they're there, just because they want to know how to write HTML, or what
they need to do to get their company's website improved... It's amazing.
The diverse women of DEI are united through affinity, not identity. This "interest/action-
focused" model has thus far been successful in attracting and retaining disparate
populations of women.
Keeping this in mind, the founders turned to establishing their target audience.
While there was some debate about the details of who they wanted their membership to
be, there was consensus that both diversity and access were fundamental values. Several
of the women emphasized that the group should be appealing to women with varying
levels of experience in the high-tech field, and that while technology workers would be
the main focus, women need only have an interest in technology—personal, political,
and/or professional—to be part of the organization. "Newbies" could be mentored by
more experienced women, and outreach could involve girls who were thinking of
technology careers or hobbies. Ultimately the organization would be a global one, united
under a common mandate, with local needs served by individual chapters.
In keeping with DEI's preference for being action-based as opposed to identity-
based, the DEI mission statement was couched in terms of what the organization hoped to
accomplish. The DEI website states that the DEI mandate is to:
Empower members to become top-level leaders, professionals, role
models and mentors in their fields
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Build, on all levels, an effective networking resource including strong
technology industry relationships
Include all women - of all races, ethnicities, economic levels, ages,
abilities, and lifestyles - as participants in our community
Offer access to positive resources, valuable information, and a
community-based network for women
Develop low-cost, readily accessible educational opportunities in digital
technology
Encourage women and girls to pursue technology-related careers
Advocate that women have economic, social and cultural parity in the
field of technology
Promote positive, balanced working conditions and lifestyles in the new
media technology industry.
9
This framing of the mandate in "to do" terms positions DEI's values strategically, and
situates the organization as an entity geared towards activity. Each part of the mandate is
accompanied by some kind of action-based commitment to ensure the realization of these
values. For example, DEI builds effective networking resources in a few ways: through
local e-mailing lists, through international e-mailing lists, through their local and
international websites, and through local in-person meetings and events. Low-cost
educational opportunities are provided through volunteer workshops and training
sessions, such as HTML and computer networking courses, and facilitated with the
participation of IT institutions, such as the Bell Centre for Creative Communication in
Toronto.
9
http://www.digitaleve.com/about/mission.html
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As part of a corporate-based approach to conceiving DEI as a branded product,
founders also considered how to represent themselves, both to their staff and members
and externally to sponsors, industry, media, and so forth. This anticipatory self-
representation development process is another relatively unusual aspect of DEI, and it
clearly derives from the corporate public relations expertise of many of the women.
Consistent representation, they believed, "built the brand", and allowed them to assess
their success, in part, by observing the degree of dispersal of their public identity.
Conceiving of DEI in this fashion further allowed the founders to distill their mandate
and simplify their self-representation to increase appeal, marketability, and recognition
across diverse audiences. It also allowed the organization to pre-empt appropriation of
their message and mandate by other bodies, since women's groups are often prone to
suffering bad (or absent) coverage. In general terms, these kinds of media- and PR-savvy
choices accorded DEI a measure of representational autonomy; in essence these actions
indicated that they were in charge of their public persona and would manipulate it as they
chose. While "branding" and "messaging" did not always result in member endorsement,
as we will see (indeed, many members rejected Digital Eve outright) , it nevertheless
produced an image of a cohesive, self-determined, self-managed entity which was both
consistent and responsive to a variety of demands.
However, some of these choices, though strategically savvy, reflected some
degree of ideological tension. Despite their avowed mandate of promoting women's
contributions in tech work, and ensuring sponsors were supportive of women and DEI
"core values", founders were concerned that the media not represent them as feminists, or
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"bra burners". Accessibility was a key public value, as was diversity, but DEI also
wished to be affiliated with "well-connected" parties and sponsors. Sponsors would be
encouraged to "mine" or "leverage" the membership base for projects such as market
research. The greatest thematic tension occurred between the outreach/mentorship
mandate (grounded in an activist, community-oriented stance), and the career
advancement/networking mandate (grounded in a corporate, industry-oriented stance).
However this latter dyad appears to be reconciled in DEI's day-to-day operations. DEI, as
an organization, appears to situate these two apparently competing goals along a
continuum of involvement in women's IT work, and recognize their interconnections.
The young women and girls who develop skills through the outreach program may go on
to a higher-status, higher-paid job as a result of this earlier support, training, and
encouragement. Or, women working in high-end IT jobs may find personal and political
fulfillment in mentoring a variety of other women; they may also be able to include their
nonprofit work in their resume. In practical terms, DET has simply divided each focus
into different "departments" of the Steering Committee.
Structurally, the founders emphasized their commitment to developing a
comprehensive infrastructure (such as bylaws, chapter handbooks, an advisory board, and
a board of directors), maintaining quality programs, and having a transparent (if
hierarchical) process. The attention to infrastructure is of particular interest, as it is both
anticipatory of future demands, and a comprehensive response to current concerns. In the
next section, I will examine the often challenging process of developing a structure, both
international and local.
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Developing structure
The original Webgrrls structure, as previously discussed, had been a top-down,
centralized management structure. Funds flowed through the central for-profit New York
body, which was governed by a single executive director. There was minimal financial
autonomy for chapters: chapters were required to give whatever funds they generated
through sponsorships, events, et cetera, to WGI, and then request the money from WGI to
cover their expenses. Local chapters were not permitted to have their own bank accounts;
rather they wrote cheques to WGI and then petitioned to obtain necessary funds. While
volunteer labour was used, WGI was for-profit, and prior to the shift to DEI, had
distributed a licensing agreement requiring chapters to charge membership dues of sixty
U.S. dollars. However, despite this centralized financial control, chapters were largely
left adrift to generate their own infrastructure, programs, and services. Support and
resources were absent. In essence, chapters were getting nothing for their money besides
permission to use the WGI name. Shortly before the transition to DigitalEve, Evans noted
about the Toronto Webgrrls:
It's hard to say what the original Webgrrls is, because every chapter is completely
different... There's nothing saying that to be a chapter you have to do these things.
Because we are so huge and we have so many events and programs and everything, we've
kind of written our own blueprint, we've developed it as we've gone along... that's been
part of our challenge. There is nothing—we're creating from scratch because there wasn't
really anything else to do. All the programs we have were started in Toronto, all of them.
Despite its ostensible commitment to being an international organization, WGI provided
no infrastructure for developing chapters besides a dictum of centralized management of
finances. Indeed, little was international about WGI save the name, as chapters were not
"officially" allowed to have autonomy (although they were forced to develop their own
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structure and programs in the absence of support from the central WGI body). Evans
recalls the growing concerns of many chapter leaders with meeting the needs of their
members :
[Kennedy] was totally anti the idea of any national body in Canada. He said your
members are not members of chapters, they're members of Webgrrls International, and
there's no place for a national body in all of this, which was kind of strange for me,
because I think the needs of Canadian women are going to be quite a bit different from
the needs of Japanese women, and Austrian women, and American women, but he didn't
seem to think that had any validity at all.
With the growing membership across North America and the beginnings of penetration
into Europe, many chapter leaders became interested in developing a structure that would
both meet local needs as well as provide support on a global level. Once the initial
enthusiasm had faded, the banal and often difficult questions of structure challenged the
founders to develop an organizational framework which addressed the concerns of WGI,
and which laid a comprehensive groundwork for anticipating future initiatives, but which
also allowed for change over time. As Evans recalls:
It wasn't all sunshine and roses... we had some really serious discussions around
structure, because structure was one of the things that people felt had quote, unquote,
fatally flawed Webgrrls, a lack of structure at the inception, so it was really important
that we put something in place that was clear, was understood, and everyone knew how it
worked, and agreed with it. So there were some... we were talking about sponsors, and
people were like, you can't do that yet, you've got to make sure you have your structure in
place, otherwise you're misrepresenting yourselves. And that's what we did, we took a
step back in mid-July after the initial euphoria wore off. And took a really hard look at
what we were doing and how we were going to do it, so I hope we anticipated some of
these issues, I mean you can't anticipate everything but... I think that some of the issues
we're going to confront down the road are just going to be the evolving nature of the
industry itself, you can never really anticipate what's going to happen, I mean maybe the
web's going to be obsolete in five years, and I hope that we're building an adaptive
organization that's going to change with the times, but you can't always guarantee that,
but I think there's some longevity here.
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The new DEI structure, developed with the concerns about WGI in mind, was to be a
combination of global focus and regional autonomy, top-down strategy combined with
bottom-up communication and collaboration. It was both officially and pragmatically
international, with limits on the number of U.S. leaders in positions of authority.
Figure 9.1 (below) illustrates the new DEI structure as established in February
2001 by the eight founders.
Fig. 9.1 Structure of DEI, February 2001
International
Board
of
Directors
Board of Advisors (future)
Executive Management Team
Regional Board of Directors
Chapter Board of Directors
(optional)
Regional Steering Committee
Chapter Leaders
" " indicates top-down authority
Steering Committee
" " indicates bottom-up reporting and accountability structure
Members
The top level, the International Board of Directors (IBOD), is composed of seven
people, four of whom are outside the organization, and three of whom are leaders from
within DEI. The IBOD was seen to be composed of "high profile" participants, who
would be responsible for advising and approving initiatives, fundraising and fiscal
responsibility, long-range strategy and planning, hiring upper-level staff, presenting the
"public face" of the organization at the upper levels, and serving as a resource for
professional service. The Board of Advisors, which does not exist as of yet, but which
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will emerge when the organization expand substantially, will have no voting power but
will advise on matters of policy. The Executive Management Team (EMT), which
reports to the IBOD, is responsible for the execution of large-scale strategy, policy, and
supervision of regional operations. The EMT would provide the liaison between regional
and international governing bodies, and address the day-to-day concerns of the
organization. Here would be found the Chief Financial Officer (CFO), Chief Operating
Officer (COO), the Chief Technology Officer (CTO), and the VPs of communications
and marketing, business development, sales, and human resources.
Each region (determined by size of membership as well as geographic location)
has a Board of Directors (RBOD) as well as a Steering Committee (RSC). At time of
inception in February 2001, regions were required to have a minimum of six chapters,
approximately five thousand members, to qualify for regional status. There were seven
regions established, with three sub-regions: Europe, Asia, Australia/New Zealand,
Canada, South America, Africa, and the U.S. (which was subdivided into eastern,
western, and central regions). RBODs and RSCs would be responsible for managing
chapters and regional growth, dealing with regional legal and financial matters, recruiting
chapters within their region, providing administrative communication between local
chapters and the EMT, and ensuring that chapters complied with guidelines and
regulations, as established by the EMT.
At the local chapter level, chapters are governed both by an optional chapter
Board of Directors (CBOD), which reports to the RBOD, as well as individual chapter
leaders (CLs), who report to the RSC. CLs work with local Steering Committees (SCs),
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composed of volunteers from the chapter, to do local fundraising, execute local events,
initiatives, and programs, ensure compliance with DEI policies, manage the local lists,
and ensure fiscal responsibility. Originally in WGI, SC members had only a few tasks
allocated, and a relatively loose structure as a result. At present, because of the size of
the Toronto SC, it has been further broken down as follows in Figure 9.2 and 9.3 (p. 369).
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Fig. 9.2 Structure of local chapters
Chapter leader
Directors (5)
Coordinators
Volunteers
" " indicates top-down authority
" " indicates bottom-up reporting and accountability structure
Fig. 9.3 Reporting structure and position allocation of Toronto SC as of June 2001
Director of Operations & Services
Membership Coordinator
Core Initiatives Coordinator
Communications Coordinator
Special Interest Groups (SIGs) Coordinator
Director of Programs
Outreach Coordinator
DEGirls Coordinator
Training Coordinator
Events Coordinator
Meetings Coordinator
Mentorship Coordinator
Director of Marketing
Creative Director
Media and PR Coordinator
Sponsorship Coordinator
Conferences Coordinator
Associations Coordinator
Director of Technology
Web Coordinator
WOW-Library Coordinator
WOWLife Coordinator
WOW@Work Coordinator
Volunteers Coordinator (rep. to ED)
Finance Coordinator (rep. to Treasurer)
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The debate around democracy
The shift in the Toronto chapter from TWG to DET provided material for member
debate for several months. One of the primary member concerns was the accountability
of the Toronto SC, and the ensuing debate revealed many of the central themes which I
have already discussed around women's organizing.
The issue of DigitalEve's name was initially a suprising point of contention, but
interviews and list postings revealed familiar tropes in the discourse. Again, women's
organizations had to labour for legitimacy and a space of their own. Digitaleve.com was
one of the few domains that was not already taken up by a pornography site (as, for
example, had happened to webgirls.com). Many members did not feel that DigitalEve
represented them or their concerns appropriately. They felt that the metaphor of "Eve",
when interpreted in the Judeo-Christian Biblical sense (as opposed to "eve" as a
shorthand for "evening"), ranged from inaccurate to offensive. "It's not an image of
strength", said one woman. "If they'd picked Lillith I might change my mind", agreed
another.
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[S28] A woman who had immigrated to Canada from India meditated on the
symbolic associations of Judeo-Christian figures compared to those from Indian
literature.
[In] Indian mythology, you do have many words which represent women or femininity,
and in a very positive way. Like Durga evokes strength or the victory of good over evil.
There are a couple of others, but I can't think of any words in the English language which
say "woman" and then say it in a positive way.[S39]
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Lillith, according to Jewish and Gnostic lore, was the first wife of Adam, who left Adam and was
eventually punished by God for not submitting to Adam's authority. Eventually Lilith's name became
synonymous with a demon or evil female entity.
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And one respondent had a comment on the metaphoric associations of the word "digital"
which is particularly interesting given the issues around women's technology use which I
raised in previous chapters.
"Digital" annoys me because it implies one or zero, and all my work is in the gray area in
between those two things. I don’t like “digital” as a model; I think it’s misleading and
inaccurate. The binariness of things is not really the way it goes... My work is so analog. I
work with technology, but I also work with people, and my job, essentially, is to make
the technology work in a way that the people want, I don’t want to be focused on the
technology, it’s a tool for the people. So the "digital", putting the emphasis on the cut and
dried, on the ones and zeros, is something that I really don’t like. [S28]
For this woman, the lack of representation was twofold: not only did she object to "Eve"
but also the metaphoric implics of "Digital".
Other respondents were not worried as much about the symbolic connotations of
the name as they were about the "brand recognition" of Toronto WebGrrls versus
DigitalEve. The following quote is from a woman who worked in marketing.
I understand the business reasons of why they did it, or the political reasons. I think that
thing that has hurt them the most, or could potentially hurt them, I'm not as close to them
as I used to be. WebGrrls had a really strong brand name. Now with Digital Eve, is
anyone going to make that association… [DET has to] relaunch themselves with this new
brand name, and I think they’ve underestimated how much time, money, and education is
gonna be involved to get people to start thinking that Webgrrls is now Digital Eve… and
I've seen them change their colours and their fonts and all that, over the years, and maybe
it’s just cause of my background in [marketing], when you’re a company, you have a set
look, you have a certain brand, and that brand takes an identity. And you just don’t
change it because this colour is popular this year. I find that they’ve flipped all around.
And your logo, and your colours and that is part of your identity, and people will
recognize that in everything that you do. And if you start changing that, then you lose
equity, you jeopardize the brand identity that you’ve built up in that name and that
logo…[S25]
It was interesting to observe how each member filtered their evaluation of the DigitalEve
name and organizational shift through their own experiential concerns. The above quote
illustrates the central concerns and ideological stance of someone who is immersed in a
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marketing career, while the preceding quote about the word "digital" reflected the stance
of someone who was interested in improving the often messy relationship between IT and
users, and who did not view her work in terms of binary categories. The needs,
experiences, and workplace positioning of the respondents were often clearly evident in
the perspective they expressed about the organization.
Evans also noted that some members did not feel that they were represented by
the original Webgrrls name either: "It's not like Webgrrls was a name people were
particularly happy with. People were saying 'I'm not a girl, that's not me, I'm forty, I have
two kids, that sort of thing.'" Thus, deliberations around the name of the group were
surprisingly significant and reflected many ongoing concerns, both about constituency
and self-representation.
Despite grumblings about the name, the most significant member concern was the
democratic process (and the perception of democracy) in the selection of the SC and most
importantly, the Executive Director (ED). When Jennifer Evans departed from the post
of Digital Eve/Webgrrls ED to lead DigitalEve Canada, she was replaced by an interim
director, Christine Pilkington. This replacement in late 2000, coming as it did on the
heels of the Webgrrls to DigitalEve transformation, generated some dissent in the
membership ranks about the process.
One of the central intragroup challenges with this process was the relationship
between the SC and DigitalEve members. As we saw in Chapter Four with the literature
on power, authority, and leadership, there are often conflicts which arise from the
negotiation of these dynamics. Some members felt that the initial DigitalEve move had
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been implemented somewhat autocratically, and the resulting leadership structure would
merely recapitulate this oligarchic control if members did not intervene. The discussion
around DigitalEve exposed several of the concerns that some members (and former SC
members) had had about the SC and leadership of the organization. One respondent
proposed, somewhat warily, that although the members of the current SC were all "great
people", the relatively loose and unaccountable structure of the SC made it possible for
there to be corruption. As we saw in the literature on feminist organizing, wherein
procedural issues could become personal issues, this respondent's wariness was derived
from her apprehension of SC members taking offense at her critique, and perceiving her
feedback as "saying the Steering Committee sucks [or] individual insults against them."
[S37]
Ruminating on member perception of the SC, one former SC member said that
she could see how members might feel isolated from the governance of their
organization. In future, she felt, the SC would benefit from increased self-reflexivity.
...We never sat and analyzed, what did we do great, what do we need to do better for next
time, and that was always a [problem with] the Steering Committee, that we never
wanted to do that. And I think that’s how you make a better organization. I don’t think
they talk to the people enough, the members enough. The Steering Committee was
always viewed as very cliquey. And whether it was meetings or events, they always sat
together. And it’s kinda like the untouchables. And they need to get over that. They need
a stronger connection to their members. I think it’s an us versus them type of thing right
now, and they need a stronger connection. As much as the Steering Committee has the
passion for, we do this for our members and blah blah blah, it doesn’t come across that
way, by the members. And one of the things we always talked about is we need like,
membership needs their own person, to be concerned about the members…[S25]
Another respondent concurred with the negative perception that the SC was "an
extremely political little environment".[S14]
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A SC member countered this viewpoint with her own, more positive experience
of being involved in the group.
I don't think there is a perfect organization... especially with such a large Steering
Committee, it's interesting to see who are the ones who that control. But I have to say it's
much more enjoyable to sit with a bunch of women in a room as opposed to a male-run,
or a lot of men on the meeting, because there is still a lot of camaraderie, openness, oh,
so-and-so wants to say something, there is that. It's just the same people are the ones who
are always talking and the same ones who are quiet are the ones who are quiet...[S43]
For this respondent, many of the member concerns were explicitly linked to the sheer size
of the organization. Although she was optimistic, she felt that it would indeed be an
ongoing struggle for the organization to balance informal and formal structures of power.
Other members were less critical of the SC, and happy to allow the SC to make
important decisions. Some respondents simply took a "wait and see" attitude, which was
generally positive but also anticipatory. Either they hoped TWG's problems would be
solved with the switch to DET, or they hoped DET would continue to offer the same
benefits for them as TWG had. Many felt that the leadership of TWG and DET had acted
in an appropriate capacity to make the best decision for the organization. As far as they
were concerned, "If [the decision is] better for the organization, that's fine."[S29] For
these members, pragmatic concerns outweighed ideological concerns, and they tended to
be dismissive of other members' complaints around process. "Personally I think there's
nothing more annoying than people squawking about it", said one woman, "What's done
is done. I trusted the Steering Committee that they were doing what they needed to do on
behalf of the women. How do you get a vote from twenty-five hundred people? It's
impossible." [S26] Women who knew more about the internal process of shifting to
DigitalEve understood the delicate legal issues behind the group's transformation. To
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them, "it seemed like more of a name change than any real change in direction,
motivation, or directive of the list, the ideology of the list." [S48] A few members even
praised the process for its visionary potential.
I really applaud everyone, especially Jennifer Evans, who took things into their own
hands to really get it going. It's a huge job just to be on the Steering Committee running
stuff for the organization, to go above and beyond even that, to strategize and see the big
picture, and have the courage and the time and the will to take it in a new direction is
really amazing. I'm not saying it's perfect, but as far as its philososphy and its mandate, I
think they're still right on.[S24]
The issue of democracy was a common theme in the respondents' answers. Many
were concerned about an apparent lack of democracy in the process of switching to DE,
although several were quite diplomatic about their recognition of the organization's
procedural constraints. One respondent stressed that democracy, while an important goal,
could often prevent an organization from engaging in positive, fruitful action. She
compared the shift from Webgrrls to DigitalEve to another group with which she had
been involved.
It’s a perfectly normal stage for groups to go through... What happened to [another group
I was involved in] was it ran up with well, who’s a member, and who’s not, and how do
you vote, and how do you not, how do you make decisions, and you need to have this
long process every time you do something. You stop doing things, and you become very
internally focused. It all becomes sort of navel gazing... they ended up with such a lot of
committee structures and voting and concerns about democratic process that very little
got done. And last I checked you can’t even find their website any more. Democracy is
great, but sometimes you just need a group to say this is where we should go. As long as
it keeps on going. If you end up with just democracy and no action, that’s less effective
than disagreeing with some of the steering committee’s decisions. I don’t have to do
anything they tell me to, so I don’t need much say…[S28]
Evans concurred with this statement about democracy: "Opening these issues to the entire
membership at the start would have mired this particular process, thus halting the entire
organization."
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SC volunteers, while receptive to member feedback, often felt personally
affronted by the insinuation that they were being less than professional about their
motives and operations. They felt frustrated by members who produced negative
feedback without suggesting strategies and/or concrete actions to address the problems.
One woman noted: "I heard a lot of complaints, talking to people who won't say them to
the Steering Committee... people bitch and complain but nobody volunteers." [S37]
Another member of the SC expressed her annoyance with complaints that were not
grounded in action:
A lot of people who have strong opinions don't participate on any level... [Complaining
is] harder to swallow than someone who wants to pitch in... [If] you don't like it, okay,
come in and help us fix it. Because just criticizing isn't really enough. Come and help us
find a solution...[S12]
After extensive (if delayed) member criticism of the move to DE on the email list, Evans,
wrote a lengthy post to the DE list, in an attempt to assuage some member concerns:
Based on our collective experience within this community, with one another, and through
our experiences as members, the Steering Committee made a decision based on the
knowledge of how we, as a community, exist. Yes, the Steering Committee chose a
course, but that course was chosen based on information, our community's objectives,
and our community's ideals. The course was not chosen based on a desire for personal
gain or hubris. The priority here is, and always will be, our community and the needs of
the members. Leadership involves two things: guidance, when appropriate, and making
difficult decisions when major issues are at stake, such as identity and future of the
organization.[October 28, 2000]
Evans' articulation of the tensions inherent to leadership is evocative of the issues around
power which I have raised in previous sections. The SC continues to struggle with
member perceptions of informal power dynamics which may or may not be accurate, and
to navigate a course between effective governance and member engagement.
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SC members also felt frustrated at the apparent lack of feedback to the initial
announcement to the shift in the organization As Evans wrote:
We sent the original posts [about DET] so that there would be some discussion on the
lists. To our surprise, there was none. Not one post! This on a list where posting
around—oh, let's say fairly minute issues have gone on for weeks and weeks. And on
such a major issue in our organization's history, nothing. We were pretty taken aback.
[October 22, 2000]
Members of the SC conveyed their confusion about the lack of reaction, particularly
given the feedback from other chapters who had also converted to DE; however they also
acknowledged that the SC was often working with a difficult audience. In an interview, a
member said that the reason for her own silence around the matter was simply her
assumption that fundamental organizational changes would not take place despite the
name change. Many respondents expressed similar sentiments. While lack of member
participation may have mildly irked them, and they would like to have increased
opportunities to participate in running the organization, they were mainly concerned with
DET remaining the same as TWG. Most were also pleased that the organization had
rejected a for-profit mandate in favour of free membership and non profit status.
Despite the perception of some members that the SC was a common voting bloc,
a few SC members expressed their own hesitation with the shift to DE. While in general
they supported the objectives of the change, they were a bit hesitant about the process of
its execution. Familiar concerns and tensions about governance, power, and leadership
are evident in their quotes. "I didn't feel it was the most democratic way to go and change
our entire organization," said one SC member, "[but] it was probably the only
alternative... It was the quickest and easiest way for us to transfer without losing time,
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[or] losing our members..."[S43] Another SC member pointed out what she felt was a
peculiarly contradictory process of public debate.
The decision got made somewhere at such a global level, local people didn't have much
of an input into it. But when we disclosed it to the membership, we were pretending to
ask for input and then we didn't take it. So we got a lot of criticism for that. Like, why are
you pretending to ask us for our input, when you've already gone and done it, sort of
thing... All these decisions get made, and there's this big public forum where they ask for
input and don't take it...[S39]
This respondent indicated the tension between actual input and perceived input which she
felt was part of the process. This perspective also highlights the problem of developing
meaningful and useful forms of debate and member participation in an organization. In
this respondent's view, members were less outraged at the autocratic workings of the SC
and more perturbed by what they saw as a façade of member input. A third SC member
concurred with this tension.
I'm not a troublemaker, it's just that if I've been brought into the position for people to ask
my opinion, then why is my opinion not going to be asked? What is the point of not
asking me? And I do believe there's quite a few Steering Committee members who do sit
there quietly, for whatever reason, they're very nice people, but they won't come out and
say things, and I figure that's not right... It isn't a mob mentality, but a follow the leader
mentality... [S43]
The above respondent was clear that—the reader will pardon my parody of a pop cultural
expression—bad governance can happen to good people. In other words, despite the
probable good intentions of the SC members (which she was careful to point out),
informal structures of power and/or the desire to go along with the majority (or not to be
a "troublemaker") could present obstacles to truly democratic debate and decision
making.
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Some of the more vocal DET members, in conjunction with some members of the
SC, initiated an ad hoc committee to explore the issues raised, address concerns around
democratic process, transparency, and accountability of leadership, and make policy
recommendations to the SC. Calling themselves the DEVotees, after the central concern
of the vote for ED and Board of Directors, they organized several meetings, and
identified their primary objectives as the establishment of an election process, as well as
determining membership needs around such things as bylaws and SC hiring. The voice of
the membership was seen as very important to DEVotees, who felt that the structure and
operation of DigitalEve should reflect this voice. The choice of the members was viewed
as being more significant than a given structure per se. As one woman said, "If [the
members] all got together and said we choose an organization based on dictatorship, then
hallelujah. As long as they get to say what structure they want to be govered by." [S37]
Another woman stated, "[We need] transparency, so we can see what they’re doing... it’s
good if people who want to can go to the meetings, and see how the decisions were
made…"[S28]
To investigate this membership perspective, the DEVotees drafted and distributed
an online survey (see Appendix B for full survey data). The results were relatively
positive. Overall, almost half indicated that they were generally happy with the
organization as it stood, with only 18% of respondents expressing a distinct displeasure
with the current state of affairs. More than half agreed that they had a good understanding
of how the organization was run, and that if they had concerns, they would know where
to direct those concerns (54% and 61% respectively). Members did express a desire to
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know more about the organization, with three-quarters of respondents indicating that they
agreed with the statement, "I would like to learn more about the decisions made by
DigitalEve's Steering Committee." And half of the respondents said that they would like
to participate in developing the DigitalEve charter and bylaws.
However, there was some equivocation about whether or not initiating elections
would help or hinder DigitalEve as an organization. In response to the statement, "I feel
that initiating elections would improve the DigitalEve organization", one-third of
respondents agreed while the same amount disagreed (40% had no opinion). In response
to the converse statement, "I feel that initiating elections would harm the DigitalEve
organization", one-fifth of respondents agreed while over a third disagreed (here again
42% had no opinion). The more significant the level of power, the more likely
respondents were to feel that a particular position should be voted in. The ED position
was seen as most important to vote on, followed by SC executive, and finally the various
SC members.
This last point was taken up by the SC, who suggested that members participate in
the SC hiring process to increase transparency and accountability. As a result of this
recommendation, in the spring of 2001, DET members were part of the hiring committee
for new SC positions. Respondents indicated that this involvement would be a positive
development for the organization in various ways. It would provide transparency and
accountability, as well as increased possibilities for member involvement and
participation.
They do have to set up committees, it sounds like there isn't the committee structure that
should be [there]... so I would like to see it more spread out. It involves more grrls, to sit
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here and say, I'm a new member, to go from posting to being on the Steering Committee,
that's a drastic step. And you don't necessarily get to go from being where you are to the
Steering Committee by just volunteering at a few trade shows or something like that. You
really don't know the inner workings. And by having the committees and seeing how
things work, and the dynamics of the people, you would get to know that better... It
sounds like they do have job descriptions written, and that's a good idea, when they post
they can have an idea of what they want. a lot of places lack that. but it needs to be
expanded so that, okay, I can't be a webmaster but I know how to do something. As little
as it is, I can be part of the big picture and just do that little thing.[S9]
Bearing out this perspective, the members who participated in the SC hiring process of
spring 2001 felt that the experience had been a positive one, and they felt more
empowered within the organization as a result of their involvement. They felt that the
process had made the members of the SC more approachable, and put them on a peer-to-
peer level with the other women.
I got to learn a lot more than I had expected. The [Executive] Director took the time to
explain things... I got a clearer picture of the Steering Committee; they're just real people.
I did get the feeling that they were taking me seriously when I was giving my comments.
They were pretty friendly. I would feel comfortable enough to approach them in another
meeting.[S3]
[The structure is] quite a bit more concrete now. It was very vague to me. I had no idea, I
can now put names to faces, and I know that there's this body of women who meet, and
it's much clearer to me what goes on. I didn't have much of a sense of what it was doing
before, it was rather anonymous... Now I know who some of these people are.[S34]
This member involvement on a hiring committee appeared to be an effective compromise
between direct election of SC members (which would be time-consuming and possibly
ineffective due to lack of member interest in such a process) and "in-house" recruitment
hiring done entirely by SC members. Moreover, this initiative had benefits for the
members who participated as well as for general member perception of equity in
organizational process.
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The first AGM
On June 19, 2001, the first Annual General Meeting (AGM) in the history of the
Toronto organization (either for DigitalEve or Webgrrls) was held. This represented, as
many speakers that night emphasized, a turning point in the organization: no longer was
the group an informally organized, ad hoc collection of female techies, but rather a
formally structured, possibly financially viable, distinct legal entity. DET now had
bylaws, formal job descriptions for each member of the SC, a clear chain of command, an
official budget, a member-elected Board of Directors, and member input into SC hiring.
The four newly elected Directors on the Board were a mix of activist and corporate-
oriented women with experiences and interests that ranged from grassroots social justice
organizing with a variety of non-profit and marginalized groups, to career-oriented
networking and strategic alliances with private corporations. The women on the SC,
some of whom were self-identifying as SC members in a public meeting for the first time,
were diverse, with a range of experiences, age, backgrounds, and ideological
perspectives. One-fifth of the SC were women of colour, with three of those women in
significant leadership positions (Executive Director, Director of Operations and Services,
and Director of Technology). The mood that night was one of subdued jubilation and
vague relief. At last DET was building a solid foundation, with both accountability and
visionary potential.
The voting process was executed swiftly and smoothly, by secret ballot. Roughly
ten members participated in organizing the election process that evening and there was
evident concern for proper procedure. While the ED position for Pilkington was
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acclaimed, five candidates were on the ballot for four positions on the chapter Board of
Directors (CBOD).
However, despite the flurry of activity around the governance process, few
members besides those on the SC and BOD, and those volunteering to supervise the
process, actually attended the AGM. This was an ironic footnote to the debate which had
raged for nine months prior to this event. Member Nancy Frey wrote an annoyed letter to
DET's online zine, WOWLife.
For me, the AGM was a real let-down. Of the 4000 reported members of the DE Toronto
Chapter, only 48 showed up. Of these, 27 were members of the Steering Committee...
and the five candidates for Director... That meant there were only 15 other members
interested in the future of the Toronto chapter. Sad, isn't it? Like the SC, I had expected
at least 10% of the membership, i.e. 400 people, to show. There were four volunteers
doing registration, another four collecting ballots (I was one of them) and eight to tally
the ballots. When I do the math on that, I realize that there were no members at large
there at all!..
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And, in the end, it appears to me that while we have elected an Executive
to approve what the Steering Committee is doing, on a day-to-day basis, we will still
have the organization run by the same 27 people without much input from the members.
Not because the members haven't been consulted, but because when a forum was given
for them to be heard, they were silent.
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In the end, it seems, efforts around accountable structure have yet to have demonstrable
effects on member participation. Given what has been discussed in this and previous
chapters, the poor AGM turnout could have numerous causes.
First, most significantly for this study, could the lack of turnout be a result of the
primarily virtual structure of the organization, which privileges online interaction at
(possibly) the expense of face-to-face (F2F) meetings? Online member surveys tended to
have a response which reflected approximately 10% of the membership base. In contrast,
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I was actually there and not volunteering, so perhaps Frey missed me in the count! I may have had the
dubious distinction of being the only member present who did not volunteer.
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many in-person meetings, including the AGM, were poorly attended (although others had
very healthy turnouts). While it is tempting to consider this as a possibility, other forms
of in-person interaction such as outreach, Career Days, and training sessions are usually
completely full with waiting lists. Thus attributing the problem to a virtual organizational
structure alone is too limited.
Second, in the sections on women's work, I discussed women's multiple
commitments to paid and unpaid work. Several respondents, in interviews, indicated that
they would have liked to attend meetings but could not because of domestic or paid
labour responsibilities. Could DigitalEve improve this situation by, for example, offering
childcare at meetings, or using the technology (such as online chat, webcast, etc.) to
provide several ways of "attending"?
Third, many respondents also indicated their concern with economic accessibility.
Quite a few member meetings required some kind of entry fee. This might have
discouraged economically disadvantaged women from attending. However, as with
training and Career Days, price appeared to be no object for the women who filled the
classrooms. In addition, most member meetings operated with a sliding scale of fees,
either pay-what-you-can or with a different rate for employed versus
unemployed/senior/student.
Fourth, larger issues of the IT industry. Jennifer Evans, discussing the proposed
structure of DET, noted that because DET drew its members from this population, in
upcoming years the organization would have to reflect the changing needs of the IT
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industry in general and women IT workers in particular. How far does Franklin's
definition of technology as a "way of doing things" extend into the experiences and
ideologies of women forming an organization?
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Do the grounding assumptions and
practices of the IT industry form the blueprint for female IT workers' involvement in this
organization? If so, to what extent? Many of the opinions expressed by respondents did
not reflect their actual practice. Most of those who felt concern over governance did not
attend the AGM. Are these women, most of whom work in the private sector in
workplaces with clear hierarchical structure and no pretense of collective input, simply
not interested in issues of organizational governance as it is commonly understood in
feminist organizations? Is "concern over governance" too narrowly defined?
At the moment, these remain hypotheses with little substantiating proof, and
questions without clear answers. The first year of DET's existence appears to have met
with success, both in terms of building infrastructure and attracting members. Thus, it
would require further research over the coming years to determine whether or not this
apparent lack of concrete interest in governance presents a threat to DET's survival.
Developing strategy
In her speech to the AGM of June 2001, Executive Director Christine Pilkington
told assembled members that it had been a memorable year. Toronto was the largest
chapter of DigitalEve worldwide, experiencing "phenomenal" growth, and had developed
from a "club" to a full-fledged organization with an infrastructure. So where did DET
want to go from here?
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DET's proposed strategy had several components which operated at various levels
of the organization. The general objective in all cases would be twofold: to improve
existing programs and services, and to build new initiatives that both drew on existing
success and branched into untried areas.
The first level, of organizational microdynamics, would focus on facilitating
member relationships with one another. The email lists would be streamlined and
divided further into interest groups. Member interaction would be further developed
through the initiatives of the Membership Coordinator. The Special Interest Group (SIG)
Coordinator would assist in this process by developing guidelines and a master document
on running SIGs.
The second level, that of group structure, would focus on further developing
member involvement in all aspects of group operation, from hiring to volunteering.
Volunteer opportunities, for example, would be increased so that "middle-level"
volunteer positions—positions which were important but not overly time-consuming—
were expanded. This would allow and encourage more people to participate. Training
programs for members would also be expanded and accorded regularity.
The third level, that of inter-group relations, would focus on both alliances with
corporations and other non-profit associations. Various forms of sponsorship and support
would be sought from corporations, while volunteers with the WOW@Work program
would continue to do free technical work such as web design for grassroots non-profit
and charitable groups. As of June 2001, the WOW@Work had completed sites for St.
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Christopher House's Woman Abuse Program, and St. Andrew's Out Of The Cold
Program (a program to help feed and shelter homeless people), and was working on sites
for the Canadian Association for Girls in Science (CAGIS) and the Interfaith Social
Assistance Reform Coalition (ISARC). Outreach programs, currently in existence for
girls and young women, would be expanded and diversified, reaching out not only to
privileged groups but also women in crisis and low-income women.
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